[0.0s] previously on Dumbgeons and Dragons. [30.6s] Who wasn't in like just in the mindset to really take in any of this information and therefore was a real wiener [38.3s] you hear this thunderous echoing laughter coming from closer to the mountain and [45.0s] as you hit the portal Bahamut transforms back into himself and is [53.9s] Suspended in the portal as you all fall through it and then you land hard all of you [60.2s] But the wind is knocked out of you and there's this radiating heat around you [65.6s] Anybody know where we are? [67.8s] It's hot. I mean Bahamut must have had a plan that we would meet up later. I don't know [74.7s] Well, we can't stay here. We got to figure out where we are, right? [78.2s] And you round a corner into this wide chamber. There's this huge throne [85.5s] across the other side and [87.9s] In this chamber, there are six chromatic dragons around the outside and in the throne [96.0s] Is Tiamat [104.3s] Welcome to Dumbgeons and Dragons. I'm your dungeon master Russ More. He him also with me today is Amy More [110.6s] Ah, yes, she her today. I am playing Sullivan slight [115.4s] He had and Carla maxed it she her playing glim also [120.8s] She her Tom Laird he him and I'm playing moot who also goes by he him and Kristen flammons [127.1s] She her playing Agatha. God lost Kathua. Lovey. She her and [132.9s] Sean Howard [140.3s] Kidding playing Tiamat who's very hungry [144.0s] That's where the boo that's where the boo comes in the Sean Howard [150.2s] She her all five heads love it so glad to have you all here with with us [156.0s] Who knew Tiamat would come back would that's not get too much into it because it'll bring back too many sad memories [163.0s] Oh, we'll be making new ones right now, right? Yeah, making fresh new memories [167.4s] Sad memories [169.7s] You know what it's it's yet to be written yet to be paved on how this all plays out [175.2s] They could be sad. They could be happy. 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Yeah, glad to have you join us at Patreon.com slash dumb dragon cast and now fuck it [219.9s] Let's play [223.6s] The seven of you it's down into a very hellish [228.7s] landscape as tunnels the heat is sweltering the smell from coming up ahead is [237.7s] Aromatic in nature [240.7s] Aren't all smells aromatic in nature, but you want to you say aromatic you have a distinct like in your own head [247.8s] Like that's very aromatic. You have a you have your own trigger positive [253.7s] See, there you go. You thought it was [259.4s] Cinnamon and nutmeg could be dead decaying bodies [268.0s] Now I don't know what I'm smelling as you round this bend this this winding tunnel that's [275.1s] following down further into whatever [277.3s] landscape that you're following into it [280.4s] Opens up into a wide chamber and before you you see the five-headed figure of [288.3s] Tiamat surrounded by five of the nine known chromatic dragons [296.4s] In the center of this chamber is Tiamat who appears to be toying with [304.0s] several small humanoid creatures and devils they're running about [309.2s] Some trying to attack [312.5s] Some being thrown up in the air and being chomped whole we zoom in on each of the players [320.4s] First we'll start with a goth. What's your initial reaction to? [328.0s] Having Tiamat in front of you [332.2s] Feel like [334.8s] After the frustration of dealing with Bahamut [338.6s] And then the dramatic flight away from Celestia [342.1s] And almost getting thrown off several dragons and then falling through a portal [346.7s] I feel like there's just like a visible sag to her shoulders [352.0s] and just like [354.0s] Is this better? [356.8s] or [361.2s] We move down the line to moot [366.6s] Moot's pretty stoked [368.7s] That there's dragons here because that's what he first saw and is like, oh great. Like maybe Glim could oh wait [378.4s] Oh, no, there's five. Oh boy. Oh boy [383.0s] The camera moves over and then down and we see flaming kids [388.0s] Who has a glint in her eye and it's like well, I didn't get to fuck Bahamut [394.2s] so [395.4s] Round two, I guess [399.1s] The camera moves over and up and up and up towards Glim [409.4s] I think Glim [411.9s] Is [413.7s] Cautiously optimistic because her love for Bahamut is so great that she feels like I mean [420.6s] you know that Tiamat is like [423.1s] pretty bad news, but [426.1s] She has Bahamut's sister so like maybe maybe there's like something in there and also [435.4s] Maybe just like hopefully she hates Orcus or something. I mean as always Glim [444.4s] Optimistic [446.0s] Against all reason in this situation, I think [449.6s] Move over and we see Rax in the background Matamar laid over top of them [460.8s] Rax gives the shake and finally we see Sully. How do we find Sully? [468.4s] The minute Sully walked and like up to the entrance and saw [476.2s] Tiamat [478.5s] He [480.2s] froze up and [481.9s] Is looking and he starts to sweat and he's and he's looking at his fellow [488.7s] adventurers in a [491.4s] very shifty kind of way [496.6s] Question are we far enough in that Tiamat has noticed us yet or are we just like peeking in through the entrance? [505.8s] My I think 36 [511.6s] Acknowledged you but [513.1s] You could presume she's busy playing with her. Yeah, so we've been clocked, but we are not being acknowledged gotcha [521.6s] Okay. Well if I know [523.8s] if Sully knows that [527.7s] Tiamat sees all [529.9s] He drops to his knees in a bow and says guys. I'm so sorry. I'll explain it all later [534.6s] I just really I'm just gonna stay just wait here for for just a second. Like don't judge me. I'm just gonna just [541.1s] What are you doing? [545.1s] You should be sorry, oh yeah, I am I am [549.1s] One of the heads has swiveled and is staring [553.5s] very intently at Sully [556.8s] So, you know, you know this bitch. Oh [560.5s] My god, I'm so sorry. She has a mouth that nobody I just I mean [565.5s] Maybe you can find it like a little amusing. She's kind of funny and very very inappropriately sexual [571.2s] But yes, I'm very sorry. I'm so sorry. What should I find you? [576.7s] Wait, wait, was it [581.2s] Sullivan Tully bully [585.0s] No [587.6s] Sullivan slight I think I think is the name you're looking for. Yeah. Yeah, I'm flaming Kins Glam [594.0s] I didn't ask your name. Sure. Mm-hmm. We'll talk about that later and [598.5s] Tiamat turns back to playing with the demons but has clearly lost interest and allows the other dragons to eat the demons [605.5s] Guys, if you could just like get on your fucking knees if you could just just do me a salad [610.0s] Okay, just get on just why would we get it? [613.3s] Is it one knee or both? [617.8s] Like a full bow or like a curtsy [621.2s] Why are we doing this what's going on? [623.2s] Can I do like a squat like is that like I would I would make myself smaller [629.0s] It feels weird because we'll go quick quick and around. What's your position? [633.5s] I [636.6s] Me Kins is standing on her head my god moot one knee down. I'll say left knee moot [643.0s] No, I already said moot [647.0s] I think like yeah, like a deep a deep squat with like arms out, but I'm just holding it. It's fine [654.3s] I'll be fine. What are you like warrior pose? [658.2s] Too aggressive too aggressive just like [661.5s] Chair squat, okay, I got I'll take one knee but the whole time just looking at Sully like [669.0s] This better be worth it. Everybody presents themselves in their own unique way towards you Sullivan [674.8s] This light is just whispering. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry over and over again [679.7s] sorry [681.3s] Clem, who's he sorry to I? [684.6s] Don't know [687.6s] I got you guys. Okay, we're just gonna be quiet here is this dragon to my brother give you scones [695.3s] Let's just give us scones [698.8s] Fun we could check this kid. No, uh, oh [702.3s] God sweet business you got off you were carrying the rations. We got sweet biscuits [706.6s] Ah Sullivan starts emptying his pockets cuz he was he totally has biscuits. There's hard tack. Yeah hard tack [714.6s] I always have a baguette just in case [720.2s] Are you pooping? [723.1s] No, I just I [725.1s] Mean, I really um [727.1s] I'm like the number one fan of your brother. So it felt weird [730.6s] to [731.6s] About you. I no offense. You're very powerful and like five heads. It's amazing. You look so cool [738.3s] Thanks. I'm also a fan of my brother. I'll take a baguette [740.7s] I'm gonna I'm gonna launch it one of the head snatches it out of the air and is munching [746.0s] That's a hillup baguette. Isn't it? It looked like it [748.7s] I've stood up now cuz I felt awkward about the pooping comments. So now I'm just sort of awkwardly standing shuffling from foot to foot [756.3s] Tiamat starts to approach [761.9s] We're just gonna back us to step up here and [764.6s] I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry [766.6s] Why are you so...Sully [768.6s] I'm not talking to you [770.6s] Sully why are you so...what's going on [772.6s] Like I don't think it's the time [775.5s] Like it's just not the not a good time [778.2s] No, I think too now is the time. I mean now might be the time [781.9s] Why I don't know if I can just take an aside with you guys like Tiamat's like right there [787.4s] Excuse me Tiamat [788.7s] Uh, all-powerful Tiamat? [790.7s] Uh, we seem to be having some inner conflict and turmoil amongst our people here. [795.7s] You're not alone. I've been through many years of such. [798.7s] Yes, yes, see you. [800.7s] I recommend this book. [801.7s] We are the same. [802.7s] Tiamat turns and there's this giant pile of like a thousand copies of Eat, Pray, Love. [807.7s] She picks one up in one mouth and drops it in front of you. [812.7s] Oh wait, there's, does your horse read? [815.7s] And picks up a copy for each and drops it. [818.7s] Are these autographed? [819.7s] You know, I've been, I've been meaning to read this. [822.7s] We are in the hells. [824.7s] They are autographed. The author is here in the hells with us. [828.7s] I make her autograph all of them. [831.7s] Wow. [832.7s] That's so impressive. [833.7s] Turns out it's all a lie. It was fake. [835.7s] What? The book was fake? [837.7s] That's why she's here in Avernus. [839.7s] Spoiler alert. [840.7s] Spoiler, yeah. [841.7s] Sorry. [842.7s] But I mean you can still gain some knowledge and inspiration through a fake story. [846.7s] Still worth reading. [847.7s] Do you need a moment? [849.7s] I think so. I mean, I feel like it's driving that way. [851.7s] Oh, let me just. [852.7s] Oh, sorry. [853.7s] If you don't mind. [854.7s] No, you know what? [855.7s] It's not like it's my letter or anything. [857.7s] I'm going to go talk to Tiamat and just smooth things over. [860.7s] How about you, you talk amongst yourselves. [863.7s] Tiamat, Bobby, pal, show me what you've got over here. [867.7s] Looks like a sconce of human skin. [870.7s] I am very close to eating you whole. [873.7s] It won't take much. I'm very small. [875.7s] Okay, Sully, what's the deal? [902.7s] What's going on? [904.7s] Well, okay. [905.7s] I don't want to get into it all right now, but it kind of seems kind of relevant. [908.7s] So I'm going to bring it up because I wasn't going to before. [910.7s] There's never been a really good time, you know. [912.7s] We're adventuring and suddenly it's the darkest timeline or because it's doing a thing. [916.7s] You know how it goes. [917.7s] You lose an eye, you lose an arm. [919.7s] But like in my youths, like when I was a baby and then into, you know, [926.7s] toddlerhood and then then you become a child and then you go. [931.7s] Okay, yeah. Normal, normal kind of aging process. [934.7s] So until about my teens years, I was, I guess you could say I was kind of, [945.7s] yeah, I was like raised by the cultists. [952.7s] Just to clarify, like the cult of the dragon cultists. [956.7s] Yeah, there's really only like they, I mean, that's the main, that's the main one. [961.7s] It's like the marquee cult. [962.7s] Yeah, yeah. [963.7s] If you're going to be a cultist, like, you know, it's, it's Tiamat all the way. [966.7s] Go Tiamat! [968.7s] So, yeah. [970.7s] So, I mean, we met when you were teen, so. [978.7s] Oh, so you were, you were like in the cult when we met you. [983.7s] Yeah, yeah. [984.7s] I've done some pretty shady stuff. [985.7s] I'm not proud of, but you know, like cult indoctrination, you know, that kind of thing. [990.7s] Like brainwash. [991.7s] I was, I was really young and impressionable. [993.7s] And, and, and so I, well, I ran away because of circumstances, you know. [999.7s] And, and that's when I found myself in the woods. [1002.7s] And that's when Miss Meow Meow's thugs found me and threw me in jail. [1006.7s] And then, you know, the rest is history. [1008.7s] But, you know, like, they, they probably been maybe looking for me because, like, my guardian, I guess you could say, [1016.7s] it was kind of like high up there and stuff. [1018.7s] So, I mean, it's like real mad. [1026.7s] OK, I mean, lot to take in. [1032.7s] We cut over to Tiamat and Flamekins. [1035.7s] So this is where you roast the chestnuts on this open fire here. [1042.7s] By chestnuts you mean stupid, stupid demons. [1047.7s] Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. [1049.7s] Sometimes very small humanoids as well. [1052.7s] Oh, well, good thing I'm a goblin. [1056.7s] Wait. [1059.7s] We cut back. [1060.7s] I'm sorry for, for not, not so much lying, but just like withholding the truth. [1065.7s] Well, first reaction. [1069.7s] What the heck? [1070.7s] Second reaction. [1072.7s] I mean, you were just a kid. [1074.7s] Right? [1076.7s] So, I don't know. [1080.7s] It doesn't seem like, you know, if you had just told me you were sneaking away while we were trying to like save the world and going to cult meetings, [1087.7s] you're not saying that, are you? [1088.7s] No, no. [1089.7s] I have had zero contact with the cult. [1091.7s] You might remember the day that you, you were like really passionate about that donkey. [1096.7s] And then like you burned that guy up. [1098.7s] Rolf. [1099.7s] Oh, and you were hiding in the... [1101.7s] Yeah, yeah. [1102.7s] So that was a pretty close call. [1105.7s] But yeah, so this is like real awkward and stuff. [1109.7s] And I think Tiamat's going to be like so mad at me and she's like 100 percent going to eat me and stuff. [1113.7s] So like it's been real great. [1115.7s] I had to like set a good time with you guys. [1118.7s] Learned a lot. [1119.7s] Lots of growth. [1121.7s] Thank you for this opportunity. [1127.7s] Do you think that... [1131.7s] What are the odds here if you had to put like a number on it that we could get Tiamat to like help us because she's super powerful? [1141.7s] She is. [1142.7s] She's like freaking awesome. [1144.7s] Yeah, so... [1145.7s] Like, I mean, I don't like what the cultists did and all and that's why I left because I just really didn't want to murder that family. [1151.7s] Okay, if you say cultists one more time, it was the sisterhood and you know it. [1156.7s] So have been, slight. [1158.7s] Well, I... [1160.7s] It's like the, you know, it's hard to get them up on it over there. [1164.7s] Like all the guys, you know them. [1166.7s] They're like saying cultist cultist and you try to get something going. [1170.7s] But nobody listens. [1171.7s] Look how small I am. [1172.7s] Nobody cared anything of what I said. [1174.7s] Maybe you guys didn't even know I was gone. [1177.7s] Oh, we knew. [1179.7s] We very much knew. [1181.7s] She turns to the Blue Dragon. [1183.7s] Call up that PR firm. [1185.7s] Clearly they're paying them for nothing. [1187.7s] Everyone's still calling it a cult. [1189.7s] Yes, we'll get Benson and Benson on it and I'll be on the phone right now. [1195.7s] Blue Dragon runs off. [1197.7s] I imagine him in like with a tie and... [1200.7s] I totally. [1201.7s] Maybe a clipboard. [1202.7s] Definite marketing department. [1204.7s] Yeah. [1205.7s] Headset for sure. [1209.7s] So, this is kinda. [1214.7s] So did Bahama dump you or did you dump Bahama? [1222.7s] All heads just turned to you. [1226.7s] Let's just say that it wasn't interesting anymore. [1230.7s] Well, that's probably for the best. [1233.7s] And he stole my idea. [1235.7s] Where do you think his whole believers came from and followers of Bahama? [1240.7s] He based it all on the cult. [1243.7s] I mean the sisterhood. [1245.7s] You got the trademark on the sisterhood. [1247.7s] I see. [1248.7s] You got a legal proceedings pending? [1252.7s] No. [1254.7s] Oh. [1255.7s] Okay. [1256.7s] When you're this powerful you really don't need it. [1258.7s] No, that's fair. [1259.7s] It's fair. [1260.7s] Yeah. [1261.7s] He's welcome to it. [1262.7s] His little followers. [1263.7s] They're real pushy too. [1264.7s] No offense, Glim. [1265.7s] No, I'm super pushy. [1267.7s] It's fair. [1268.7s] I mean I still have pamphlets. [1270.7s] How? [1271.7s] It's been school. [1272.7s] Right. [1273.7s] Who's a real cult, right? [1274.7s] Three of the heads go really close to Glim and sniff inhaling. [1282.7s] So, you smell of Bahama and belief and cherries. [1292.7s] Yeah, and like an under note of vanilla definitely is kind of just my natural. [1297.7s] That's what that is. [1298.7s] Yeah. [1299.7s] I mean I want to be up front with you. [1302.7s] We were just in Celestia. [1306.7s] Well yeah, you came through the tunnel. [1308.7s] I do love, I mean okay I wasn't sure if you, yes you kind of know everything that's happening. [1315.7s] You turn and you look and you see a big sign above the tunnel that says Bahama is in case of emergency and scone. [1322.7s] Do you know everything that's going on? [1324.7s] Like up there, like with Orcus? [1326.7s] No. [1328.7s] What really? [1330.7s] Do you know Orcus? [1332.7s] Yes. [1333.7s] Are you familiar? [1335.7s] And your just general thoughts on him? [1337.7s] Fan? [1338.7s] Not a fan? [1339.7s] What are we working with here? [1340.7s] Three of the heads stay on Glim, two of the heads swing over to Moot. [1345.7s] What are your thoughts on Orcus? [1348.7s] Oh, big time not a fan. [1350.7s] Yep. [1352.7s] He's kind of killing the world. [1354.7s] Bold. [1355.7s] Bold when you don't know what the other side is. [1357.7s] But I mean hey, try to be truthful. [1360.7s] Yep. [1361.7s] Something we really like about you Moot. [1363.7s] And I don't say it enough. [1365.7s] I'm sorry I don't know your name. [1367.7s] Dragonborn of Bahamut? [1371.7s] Norixis Akra but just Glim. [1374.7s] Everybody calls me Glim, all my friends. [1376.7s] Norixis is fine. [1378.7s] So Norixis, what would you say should be done to one who has walked away from their belief, their oaths, their kin? [1392.7s] And desecrated Bahamut's name. [1397.7s] Stomped on it. [1399.7s] Well, I mean, are we talking about Sully because... [1404.7s] No, I'm just speaking. [1406.7s] Just hypothetically. [1407.7s] Hypothetically. [1408.7s] Sully raises his hand and nods. [1410.7s] I guess generally I believe that people swear their beliefs when they are understanding what they're swearing and know what that entails, i.e. not children. [1427.7s] Because their brains aren't even formed yet. [1430.7s] How can they be actually swearing an oath when they're, you know, they don't know anything. [1437.7s] Dragons are children for hundreds of years. [1442.7s] It makes no sense. [1445.7s] Well, I mean, I guess, fair point, but it's a little different because Sully isn't a dragon. [1454.7s] I mean, he was just a little guy. [1457.7s] So imagine how small he was when I was a baby. [1461.7s] Oh, you're probably so cute. [1462.7s] I was wee. [1463.7s] All the heads are now swinging over to focus on Agath and Rex. [1473.7s] You smell strange. [1485.7s] Not a talker, I see. [1489.7s] Actions speak louder than words, in my experience. [1493.7s] On that we agree. [1495.7s] Why are you the only one with a mount? [1499.7s] Because I am better at doing many things. [1503.7s] Truth. [1504.7s] And he likes me. [1505.7s] Oh snap! [1506.7s] I mean, 100%. [1508.7s] And you just wait for these fools to walk and catch up to you constantly? [1514.7s] There are some instances where Rex has trouble traversing as well. [1518.7s] It's, you know, little... [1520.7s] Tell them about the bridge! [1522.7s] Yeah, see, there was a bridge that we were having a lot of trouble. [1526.7s] There was a weight limit. [1527.7s] We couldn't really figure out how to, like, get everyone over safely. [1530.7s] He is afraid of heights. [1532.7s] The flats on the bridge were nerve-wracking. [1536.7s] Poor horse is having to, like, experience it all over again. [1539.7s] We're talking about it, you guys. [1540.7s] Be sensitive. [1542.7s] We should give him wings. [1544.7s] Is it him? [1545.7s] He is. [1548.7s] So you've come to my lair and you don't even bring scones. [1552.7s] What is this? [1553.7s] Why are you here? [1554.7s] It was a little bit of a gravity accident. [1558.7s] Plus an impromptu portal from Bahamut. [1562.7s] I wonder if it was an accident, though. [1564.7s] Like, we came through... [1565.7s] Maybe you see the sign, like, in case of emergency. [1568.7s] There's a sign now, and it seems like, of course, Bahamut would have, like, [1572.7s] didn't just open a random portal, right? [1574.7s] I mean, he had a plan. [1576.7s] He's up there fighting to save the world, and we're down here [1580.7s] ready to continue with our destiny to save the world. [1586.7s] Perhaps he trusts you. [1588.7s] Well, he knows how powerful she is, though. [1591.7s] This is a good sign! [1593.7s] Wise words, Silent One. [1596.7s] Having a broken heart, it means we have tried for something. [1601.7s] Eat, pray, love. [1602.7s] Is there a way to get this other one to stop speaking? [1605.7s] I have not found it. [1606.7s] We have tried? [1608.7s] It's... no, is the short answer. [1612.7s] You could eat her. [1614.7s] Yes, I'm considering that. [1617.7s] It might give you indigestion. [1620.7s] You don't know where she's been. [1623.7s] Yeah, it's true. [1626.7s] Yeah, we've been adventuring together for a long time. [1629.7s] There's some places I haven't been. [1633.7s] Was that a sexual innuendo to a dragon? [1638.7s] Everything she says is a sexual innuendo. [1641.7s] I saw her. [1642.7s] You're the size of one of my toenails. [1644.7s] How would that even work? [1646.7s] The physics are mind-boggling, but I'm here to party. [1651.7s] I'm going to go back to eat, pray, love. [1653.7s] You talk about the plan. [1655.7s] Plan? [1656.7s] So my brother sent you to me. [1659.7s] Is that what you're saying? [1661.7s] It would explain the stink of his goodness all over you. [1665.7s] I think so. [1667.7s] And the horse, too. [1669.7s] Did he touch the horse? [1670.7s] Does he have to touch everything? [1672.7s] He did stroke. [1673.7s] You know when you go through a store and then your hand is out [1676.7s] and you touch all the clothing in the store? [1678.7s] It was kind of like that. [1679.7s] I miss those days. [1681.7s] I've been here so long. [1683.7s] How long was it? [1686.7s] It was not a setup for a joke. [1688.7s] Go back to your book. [1690.7s] You're wishing too much, baby. [1691.7s] You've got to stop wearing your wishbone [1693.7s] where your backbone ought to be. [1695.7s] Stop quoting, eat, pray, love. [1697.7s] I'm hoping I'll find one that fits the situation. [1700.7s] So my brother sent you to me. [1704.7s] Interesting. [1707.7s] Why do you smell from a different time? [1712.7s] Because we are from a different time. [1714.7s] Yeah. [1715.7s] There's a lot to this story. [1718.7s] You're very observant. [1720.7s] I mean, with Bahamut, it really took a lot of... [1723.7s] Oh, the man was slow. [1725.7s] He just... [1726.7s] He matches to the beat of his own drum. [1728.7s] Took a lot of convincing. [1730.7s] But luckily he's sexy. [1733.7s] Yes. [1734.7s] That's what I said! [1735.7s] Yeah, well, I mean, try your best. [1739.7s] Again, the size issue. [1742.7s] I mean, he was an old man. [1744.7s] There's other issues involved now. [1746.7s] So we came from the future? [1749.7s] The future. [1751.7s] Because it's like real shitty. [1753.7s] All the heads are now a centimeter away [1757.7s] from all different sides of Soy's face. [1762.7s] So, so like... [1765.7s] Choose your words carefully. [1767.7s] So of insight. [1769.7s] The future is doomed. [1774.7s] Everybody is dead. [1777.7s] Yes, yes, yes. [1778.7s] And we can't... [1779.7s] But the dragons rule, correct? [1781.7s] Oh, no. [1782.7s] No, he's killed all the dragons too [1784.7s] and made them like undead dragons. [1787.7s] Undead? [1789.7s] Abominations if you ask me. [1791.7s] You're so much more powerful [1794.7s] in your glory like right now. [1798.7s] That should not be possible. [1800.7s] He's doing all sorts of bad shit [1802.7s] and we need help. [1804.7s] It's too bad you abandoned us, isn't it? [1807.7s] So of insight. [1809.7s] Or maybe he's just returning in your hour of need. [1813.7s] Ah, yes. [1814.7s] So perhaps you are going to [1816.7s] retake your vows in this moment? [1818.7s] Should I prepare the dais for you, [1820.7s] so of insight? [1822.7s] I really don't want to kill [1823.7s] one of my friends though. [1826.7s] Yes, I figured. [1829.7s] But how about when it's all done? [1832.7s] You can sacrifice me. [1834.7s] Oh, yes, yes. [1835.7s] Make promises that you're not going to keep. [1837.7s] That's working well for you, isn't it? [1839.7s] Oh, yeah. [1840.7s] It's something I've been relying on [1841.7s] for a long time. [1842.7s] You know, it's a character flaw [1844.7s] that I have that I'm working on. [1847.7s] Yeah. [1848.7s] By practicing. [1850.7s] It doesn't feel good to be lying for a long time [1852.7s] and I'm glad you guys know about my past now [1854.7s] and I am really sorry, Tiamat, [1856.7s] but I think it's, you know, [1858.7s] asking a teenager to kill a whole family [1860.7s] is just too much. [1862.7s] I mean, yeah. [1864.7s] That's, I mean, Tiamat. [1867.7s] Come on. [1869.7s] It's, it's... [1872.7s] I mean, I know you wanted to like [1874.7s] rise, right? [1876.7s] Yeah, Stance, let's all, [1877.7s] let's all talk ethics now. [1879.7s] Let's talk how pretty and how wonderful it is [1881.7s] to be able to say, oh, looking back. [1883.7s] But maybe Orcus wouldn't be ruling the universe [1887.7s] if someone had done what they were supposed to do. [1890.7s] Are you... [1892.7s] Wait, this one might fit. [1894.7s] Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts [1897.7s] and you are the slave to your emotion. [1900.7s] That's a good one, actually. [1902.7s] I am feeling real emotional right now. [1904.7s] I'm not going to lie. [1905.7s] That's... [1907.7s] I mean, that's, that's pretty true. [1909.7s] We shouldn't make any of these decisions [1911.7s] based on emotions. [1912.7s] I know you're disappointed in me. [1915.7s] And I am sorry for that [1917.7s] because, you know, there were some good times. [1920.7s] Like playing hockey with those skulls. [1923.7s] That was pretty cool. [1925.7s] And, you know, and all the barbecues. [1927.7s] Yes, yes, we did have good barbecues. [1929.7s] I mean, there was a real community. [1931.7s] There was a real community. [1933.7s] I miss them. [1935.7s] All I have here are demons [1937.7s] and once every hundred or so years, a scone. [1941.7s] I mean, if we had known about the scones... [1943.7s] Yeah, things were pretty hectic back in Celestia. [1947.7s] Otherwise we, I mean, and if we come back ever, [1950.7s] 100% scone. [1951.7s] Yeah, if we don't die. [1952.7s] Whatever. [1953.7s] Do you like like a clotted cream with it? [1955.7s] I mean, we'll, whatever you want. [1957.7s] There's clotted cream? [1959.7s] I'm assuming. [1960.7s] Yeah, and jams. [1961.7s] I mean, there could be. [1962.7s] If the world doesn't end... [1964.7s] He only ever shoves me a plate of old scones. [1968.7s] Oh, not even fresh scones? [1970.7s] Well, not by the time they get here at least. [1972.7s] Oh, fear. Yeah, fear. [1974.7s] Can I make a small point and please correct me if I'm wrong. [1980.7s] Sully, I love you. [1982.7s] I love you too. [1983.7s] But I don't feel like you killing that specific family [1988.7s] and then, but not doing it and running away [1991.7s] probably was not like the linchpin [1994.7s] that made it so that you didn't, [1999.7s] so that Orcus took over the world. [2000.7s] That probably wasn't, I mean, [2002.7s] I don't know how important, Sully, [2004.7s] how important were you to the whole organization overall [2006.7s] that, you know, I mean, let's be realistic. [2009.7s] Well, well, hey, I don't, I was moving up [2013.7s] and, but I mean, in that moment, [2017.7s] it was the family actually. [2019.7s] No, it's fair. [2020.7s] Nothing to do with Orcus, but. [2022.7s] The family just actually witnessed another murder. [2024.7s] The whole principle of the thing. [2026.7s] So, it was like tying up loose ends, [2029.7s] but they had children. [2030.7s] I mean, I can see being so sad, Tiamat. [2033.7s] If someone that I loved and I thought was my family [2036.7s] just disappeared, I mean, [2038.7s] that must have been really hard. [2040.7s] Oh, boo hoo hoo. [2042.7s] I'm stuck down here for millennia, unable to escape. [2046.7s] You almost did though, right? [2048.7s] How'd that feel? [2050.7s] So good. [2051.7s] So good. [2052.7s] Was this a therapy session? [2053.7s] So good, so close. [2054.7s] One stupid little dwarf-like thing [2059.7s] between me and freedom. [2062.7s] Here I am back. [2063.7s] Are you talking about fleet? [2065.7s] Oh, that's, yes. [2067.7s] Oh, yes. [2068.7s] Tiamat is storming over. [2069.7s] Oh, let's say that name some more. [2071.7s] How long do you want to live, little one? [2074.7s] I mean, I've had a pretty good run. [2076.7s] It depends how I'm going out. [2078.7s] We thought the syphilis would take us. [2079.7s] Say that name one more time. [2082.7s] Don't do it. [2083.7s] Look, I found another good one about you and Bahama, baby. [2087.7s] So, a true soulmate is probably the most important person [2091.7s] you'll ever meet because they tear down your walls [2094.7s] and smack you awake. [2097.7s] But to live with a soulmate forever? [2099.7s] Nah, too painful. [2101.7s] Soulmates, they come into your life [2103.7s] just to reveal another layer of yourself to you [2107.7s] and then leave. [2108.7s] That's what Bahama was for you. [2109.7s] He was just there to show another part of yourself. [2111.7s] You love scones. [2112.7s] But I left first. [2113.7s] Of course, that's what we said. [2115.7s] Is that what I said? [2116.7s] That's what I heard. [2117.7s] That's what Jeff said. [2118.7s] Yeah, I'm pretty sure. [2122.7s] What if we could get you out? [2125.7s] What? [2133.7s] Hey, everybody. [2134.7s] Hopefully, you're having fun in this episode. [2136.7s] Welcome to the middle. [2138.7s] Loved having Sean back to play Tiamat. [2141.7s] He's in this episode and the next one playing Tiamat, [2144.7s] and just let me tell you, [2146.7s] so much fun unpacking Tiamat's state of mind, [2150.7s] as well as some very interesting things [2153.7s] coming up for Destiny's Children. [2155.7s] Obviously, we've been a little bit behind [2156.7s] on regular releases, been giving some bonus content, [2159.7s] but we also have a lot of fun stuff [2162.7s] but we are in the background recording everything. [2167.7s] We are so far ahead. [2170.7s] I can't say anything about where we are [2173.7s] because there's so many spoilies that come along with it. [2176.7s] But just know that we are ramping towards something [2179.7s] that we think is so epic and so much fun. [2183.7s] But that's not all we've got going on. [2184.7s] In December, we've got some great things happening. [2186.7s] Listen to an episode on December 1st. [2188.7s] Sign up for our newsletter. [2190.7s] Get into our Discord. [2191.7s] Join us on social media. [2192.7s] There's a super fun announcement [2194.7s] for our Patreon community on December 1st [2197.7s] that you are going to enjoy, I do believe. [2201.7s] That's all I got for that. [2203.7s] Just a little tease for you. [2204.7s] But now let's get you back to the episode [2206.7s] and unpack all that good stuff. [2208.7s] Huge thanks to Sean and Kristen for joining us, always. [2211.7s] But now here's the episode. [2213.7s] We'll talk to you soon. [2214.7s] Okay, bye. [2216.7s] What if we could get you out? [2218.7s] Oh, that sounds fun. [2222.7s] What did you say? [2224.7s] Well, I mean... [2227.7s] So Orcus is gonna do some real bad stuff, [2232.7s] but he's already started to do the real bad stuff, [2237.7s] but he's setting up hubs in places, [2245.7s] and he's turning towns into zombie towns, [2247.7s] and it's just kind of like this thing [2249.7s] where he's placing people, [2251.7s] and it all just kind of goes his way, [2254.7s] and that's happening right now. [2256.7s] Well, he's been, yeah, kidnapping gods and... [2259.7s] Oh, yeah, that too. [2260.7s] ...removing them. [2261.7s] Oh, yeah. [2262.7s] They're trying to get Bahamut right now. [2263.7s] They're actually gonna, [2264.7s] they're probably gonna get him. [2266.7s] Yeah, so at the end of the future, [2269.7s] where we came from, is quite bad. [2272.7s] Everything is dead. [2274.7s] Yeah, there's no magic. [2275.7s] There's no magic, the dragons are all... [2277.7s] Except for the dragons. [2278.7s] No. [2279.7s] No. [2280.7s] No, very much dead. [2281.7s] Or undead, because he does some... [2283.7s] Undead, I mean, he really likes... [2285.7s] No, it is an abomination. [2287.7s] Sort of his whole thing is that, you know, [2290.7s] you find peace in being a mindless zombie [2294.7s] working for Orcus, I think. [2296.7s] What was the name of that dragon [2297.7s] that you killed, Glim, the dead one, [2300.7s] that had come back and was terrorizing [2302.7s] our friends there? [2304.7s] Oh, um... [2306.7s] It was like a green dragon. [2308.7s] Anyway, if you know any green dragons, [2310.7s] I think the name started with a K. [2312.7s] That was one that he turned into an undead dragon. [2315.7s] Was it Cuth? [2317.7s] That was the one. [2318.7s] Yes. [2319.7s] Oh, yeah. [2320.7s] He really was having just such a blank [2321.7s] in my mind then. [2322.7s] That went wrong. [2323.7s] All the... [2324.7s] Yeah, so just everything, [2326.7s] like literally everything, is dead. [2329.7s] Like, the world is... [2330.7s] All the people are zombies, [2332.7s] the dragons are a abomination. [2334.7s] I mean, it's very bad. [2336.7s] I just saw Cuth last week. [2338.7s] Well, I hope you had a nice visit, [2342.7s] because... [2344.7s] Like, nine years from now, right? [2347.7s] I mean, I'm not great with time, [2348.7s] but somewhere in that neighborhood? [2350.7s] I know. [2351.7s] We've been all over the place, [2352.7s] but yeah, in some years, [2355.7s] it's all going to kind of come to a head, [2358.7s] unless someone really powerful can stop them. [2363.7s] Well, I can't leave Avernus [2365.7s] for another thousand years. [2367.7s] I think I found another quote [2368.7s] that might fit this situation, Sully. [2371.7s] Having a baby is like getting a tattoo on your face. [2375.7s] You really need to be certain [2376.7s] it's what you want before you commit. [2380.7s] Okay, raise of hands. [2381.7s] How many people would like me to eat this one? [2384.7s] Raising, looking. [2386.7s] Okay, a Goth. [2387.7s] A Goth, put your hand down. [2389.7s] Racks is lifted. [2392.7s] That's two. [2393.7s] Like a paw. [2394.7s] We're almost to half. [2395.7s] Come on, come on. [2396.7s] Someone else. [2397.7s] One other. [2398.7s] You get what I'm saying, Sully? [2399.7s] Well, yeah, I do, [2400.7s] but do you have any other ideas? [2402.7s] I don't know. [2405.7s] Go on. [2406.7s] The floor is yours. [2407.7s] Yeah, I hate TMS. [2408.7s] No, it's not. [2409.7s] It's actually TMS. [2410.7s] Operation Self-Esteem. [2411.7s] Dave fucking won. [2412.7s] Yeah, that's a quote from the book, too. [2414.7s] Oh my gosh. [2415.7s] Let's talk about it. [2416.7s] I kind of love it. [2417.7s] If we are going to have a plan name, [2420.7s] like say we come up with a plan. [2422.7s] Yeah. [2423.7s] I need that. [2425.7s] I like that. [2426.7s] Operation Self-Esteem. [2428.7s] Yeah, let's put a pin in that. [2430.7s] Sully, I think what you're saying is pretty interesting. [2434.7s] I mean, Tiamat, I know that my understanding of the history [2442.7s] of the cultists, sorry, the sisterhood, [2445.7s] was doing quite a lot of kind of pretty bad stuff [2448.7s] to get you back. [2451.7s] So like if you were back, [2457.7s] are you just going to like destroy the whole world anyway? [2459.7s] Like is that kind of what your ultimate goal was? [2462.7s] Yeah, if that's going to happen anyway, [2463.7s] like Orcus is on it and you could just be like, okay. [2466.7s] Just relax here. [2467.7s] Like he's got it. [2468.7s] I was not going to destroy the world. [2471.7s] We were going to rule the world, a change. [2473.7s] Like what would that look like exactly? [2475.7s] That was the deal Orcus brought to us. [2479.7s] Oh, I'm sorry. [2482.7s] Could you? [2483.7s] Oh, you struck a deal. [2485.7s] Are you and Orcus like a team? [2487.7s] I guess we should have maybe asked. [2488.7s] Are you guys a couple now? [2489.7s] She never did actually answer the question about thoughts on. [2493.7s] That's true, yeah. [2496.7s] Oh, I am going to devour piece by small piece [2501.7s] while they are still alive. [2503.7s] The next time I see Orcus, [2505.7s] I will destroy them and make it take an eternity. [2510.7s] Yeah, that sounds great. [2512.7s] That sounds great, everybody. [2513.7s] Wow. [2514.7s] However, a certain individual who will not be named [2517.7s] has banished me to Avernus for, [2520.7s] well, close to another thousand years. [2523.7s] It's written in the margins here, says Asmodeus. [2526.7s] Asmodeus banished me here. [2530.7s] Yeah, right next to the quote, [2531.7s] some days are meant to be counted, [2533.7s] others are meant to be weighed. [2536.7s] Well, thank God that one for a long time. [2538.7s] Please. [2539.7s] Make sure you take this one with you when you leave. [2541.7s] You gave her the book, so I mean, clue. [2545.7s] It's usually just more sexual stuff. [2547.7s] It's not like these sort of actually kind of inspiring good quotes. [2550.7s] Like, I don't. [2551.7s] It's really a whole 180 that's going on here. [2554.7s] Yeah. [2555.7s] This is an improvement? [2557.7s] Well, it's different. [2559.7s] Say that. [2560.7s] It's just very different. [2561.7s] Yeah, it depends if you like the attention and not, [2563.7s] you know, because, like, she'll really focus. [2565.7s] So why did my brother send you here? [2570.7s] Beyond torturing me and not bringing scones. [2574.7s] Right. [2575.7s] Quick question about, like, how things work at your level, [2579.7s] because obviously you're, like, way up here and we're down here. [2583.7s] Way down there. [2584.7s] Yeah, like, we're just so far down below. [2588.7s] When a god is kidnapped, [2592.7s] so when they are doing, like, their banishments and stuff, [2596.7s] like, would them being gone affect that banishment? [2602.7s] Or is that sort of like a locked in kind of thing? [2606.7s] Oh, like if Orcus tried to steal Tiamat. [2609.7s] I'm unsure of how my banishment is connected to the gods. [2613.7s] I mean, like, if Bahamut has been just kidnapped, [2616.7s] which, I mean, probably, right? [2618.7s] I mean, it certainly looks like it's going that way. [2620.7s] It seems like it's probably. [2622.7s] Talk about burying the lead. [2623.7s] What? [2624.7s] Oh, I'm sorry. [2625.7s] I thought we said that right off the top. [2627.7s] I guess we instead had our little tete-a-tete about Solly's past and all of that. [2632.7s] I'm sorry. [2633.7s] This isn't about me. [2634.7s] Yeah, Bahamut. [2636.7s] All the gods get kidnapped in the future and, like, kind of currently. [2639.7s] Yes, yes, that was part of the plan. [2641.7s] Oh. [2642.7s] So all magic dies. [2644.7s] Yeah, and then they sent another team to go kill Orcus. [2647.7s] I feel like we just jumped a bit on the plan. [2650.7s] Yeah. [2651.7s] No. [2652.7s] Yeah. [2653.7s] Oh, sorry. [2654.7s] I just, I went to go let the dog back in. [2658.7s] Just got so involved in that chapter, I guess. [2661.7s] Yeah. [2662.7s] I'm on deep grief, so I'll find one here in a moment that's relevant. [2666.7s] Yeah, it's because we are. [2667.7s] You keep looking. [2668.7s] I mean, I am, I haven't had even a second to process it, [2672.7s] but I'm definitely going to be having some grief that we just went to Celestia [2676.7s] to try and stop Bahamut from getting kidnapped, and that didn't happen. [2681.7s] I'm pretty sure it's. [2682.7s] Oh, yeah, there will be an overrun. [2684.7s] He just got. [2685.7s] But wait, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. [2688.7s] The original ask from Leosin. [2690.7s] Tiamat eats. [2691.7s] Tiamat eats. [2692.7s] Tiamat eats. [2693.7s] Swallows. [2695.7s] That's it. [2696.7s] Flammokins has been swallowed. [2702.7s] Okay. [2703.7s] What were you saying? [2704.7s] Can you just like spit her back up and I'll like gag her or something? [2707.7s] I'll gag her. [2708.7s] Like, no problem. [2710.7s] I'm sort of fond of her. [2711.7s] She's kind of useful sometimes. [2714.7s] She has a fuck room. [2715.7s] I don't know if that is going to change anything. [2718.7s] Fine. [2721.7s] Tiamat spits up. [2724.7s] So he rushes over and just. [2726.7s] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. [2728.7s] What? [2729.7s] The plan was not to stop him from being captured. [2732.7s] It was just to let him know that it was happening, dude. [2735.7s] We've said it then. [2736.7s] Yeah. [2738.7s] I mean, I know, but I guess obviously in my heart, I thought like. [2742.7s] You know, I could stop it. [2743.7s] Who? [2744.7s] Who was kidnapping my brother? [2749.7s] Orcus. [2751.7s] It's part of his plan to like take over everything and weaken everything and kill magic and. [2758.7s] And happiness too. [2759.7s] Like nobody has barbecues up there. [2761.7s] No. [2762.7s] Like. [2764.7s] I mean, nobody's worshipping. [2765.7s] Definitely no scones. [2766.7s] Oh, the sisterhood is gone. [2768.7s] It's just totally gone. [2769.7s] I mean. [2770.7s] Completely obliterated. [2771.7s] It's like all Orcus all the time now. [2774.7s] Or in the future. [2775.7s] It's really the Orcus show. [2776.7s] It sucks. [2777.7s] Did Bahamut tell you that we had both agreed to work with Orcus? [2785.7s] I don't think it came up. [2786.7s] No, but I do think that he's been the double crossed. [2790.7s] Yes, we have been. [2793.7s] We're getting lots of new information. [2795.7s] Glim, you're going to have to process this. [2797.7s] Nobody's perfect. [2799.7s] Not even God's. [2800.7s] I mean, I didn't. [2803.7s] I mean, this seems like a fairly big. [2808.7s] Departure. [2810.7s] Glim has just sat down. [2812.7s] Like just. [2813.7s] I don't. [2814.7s] Sully was in the cult. [2816.7s] She's like broken. [2818.7s] This was not supposed to go this way. [2821.7s] This was not supposed to turn dragons and everything into zombies. [2825.7s] This was supposed to remove a few meddlesome gods that were out of control, abusing their power. [2832.7s] But clearly we have been tricked. [2836.7s] So what exactly would you like to do about that? [2840.7s] Your Majesty. [2842.7s] Your graceful awesomeness. [2848.7s] I'm having less and less issue with you having left the sisterhood. [2852.7s] I'm nothing but trouble. [2856.7s] So did my brother say anything? [2859.7s] Did he give you any clue to why he was sending you to me? [2863.7s] Think. [2867.7s] I mean, he made us wait in a line for a really long time for no reason. [2872.7s] So he's kind of a jokester. [2874.7s] So I don't know if this is supposed to be funny or he's got Canadian roots. [2878.7s] He likes queuing. [2882.7s] Do you think it's useful or is it just probably? [2888.7s] I think I think I heard it's not a quote. [2893.7s] I mean, honestly, I think it's up to Tiamat. [2896.7s] We're used to her, so it's not even. [2900.7s] Just background noise at this point. [2902.7s] Yeah, so it's up to you. Just let us know if you're interested in what she has to say. [2907.7s] Oh, no, I'm not interested in anything she has to say. [2910.7s] Okay. [2913.7s] I don't remember Bahamut saying things. [2920.7s] Did he yell anything when he sent us through this portal? [2922.7s] My ears popped, you know, when that, you know, with the pressure shift between the temporal realms and stuff like that, [2929.7s] my ears totally popped. I couldn't hear a dang thing for like two minutes. [2933.7s] One of the heads is slowly moving over to just stare at Agatha. [2937.7s] Like in, like what the? [2942.7s] So Silent One. [2944.7s] Yes. [2945.7s] What action are you driven to at this moment? [2949.7s] Agatha is going to take a second, I think. [2958.7s] And yeah, I think. [2961.7s] Like, I don't really touch the character sheet that much, [2964.7s] but I'm pretty sure that create food and drink is a cleric spell. [2969.7s] Can I create a big tray of scones that's enough to feed like 45 worth people right now? [2977.7s] I love this. [2978.7s] So without a word, Agatha will think for a moment and then [2986.7s] make Tiamat a scone feast [2990.7s] and say, [2993.7s] help us fuck up Orcus. [2997.7s] It has been a long time since I have been struck speechless. [3007.7s] Dumbgeons and Dragons Season 2 Episode 138, starring Amy More as Sully, [3013.7s] Carla Maxdead as Glim, Tom Laird as Moot, [3016.7s] with Kristen Flemmons as Agatha, Sean Howard as Tiamat, [3019.7s] and Russ More as your Dungeon Master. [3021.7s] Production and sound design by Russ More. 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